Does anyone ever recall the Victorian Flatbush gentrifiers, Liena and Ben publishing mugshots of any of the many white thugs from the neighborhood? A simple search would say no. However, with the help of the odious 70th precinct, they splash across for everyone to see a mugshot of an "alleged" murderer.
Liena is a racist pure and simple. What on earth is publishing this man's mugshot going to do for the neighborhood but increase tensions? Instead of trying to create black boogeyman every chance she gets, Liena needs to worry about making sure her immigration papers are in order as from what I hear they may not be.
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Eloise's nephew is posted on the police blotter.
ReplyDeleteFollow the link.
http://ditmasparkblog.com/news/wanted
It would seem as though the 70th precinct sought out the DPB to post the picture to increase awareness, not spread racism as you purport. As this is the first mugshot I have seen on the DPB in three years, it would seem that there is no issue of race present. Had the suspect been any other race, I am confident that the post would remain just the same.
ReplyDeleteSecond, you ridicule the DPB for labeling the accussee as an "'alleged' murderer'" however, it's clear that the accusations come from the police, and not from the DPB.
Further, it is nearsighted and wrong to think that the publication of such a picture would do nothing other than increase tentions. When a pet is lost, people put posters to help find it. Regardless of breed, species, or color. A community that works together can accomplish great things.
Lastly, you seem to know a lot about Liena's personal life. It undermines both of your entire arguments. That being you're accusation that the DPB posted personal information about you, and that Liena, an immigrant, is in the white majority.
Hmm sorry to burst your bubble and all your other racist deniers and gentrification hustlers. I just look over at the realflatbush stop snitching post. Had the suspect been a white teen, there is no way in hell that mugshot would have made it on the ditmas park blog. You can have you blinders on but the facts is just the facts. I was mutual and wanted to keep on open mind, but what the ditmas park is doing is just disgusting. There is no middle ground here. It's racist, plain and simple. I don't waste my time arguring with a holocaust denier why should I with a racism denier?
ReplyDeleteYou fool.
ReplyDeleteLiena has posted about "not being from this country and not being able to vote."
Anonymous, (and Eloise)
ReplyDeleteI agree that there is a racial bias in all media. And the post concerning said bias on therealflatbush is poignant. That is, up until they single out this specific instance on the DPB.
It is my understanding that DPB did not post the mugshot randomly. Instead, Liena wrote "The 70th precinct passed on this poster. .because the suspect's last address is on East 21st." signifying an effort on behalf of the police force to enlist the community in apprehending the suspect. Are we to assume that the East Hartford police force is also racist for spreading the news?
Had Liena not informed us on where the information came from, I would agree that it sticks out.
As to denying racism, I don't. I willfully call it when I see it. However, this is not the case here. I don't know how they arrived on their suspect but I'm guessing it was through detective work not racial profiling. Especially considering the amount of information they have on him, i.e. his nickname, previous mugshot, and most of all his name.
If a murder suspect is black, it's not racism. If he's a murder suspect because he's black, that's racism.
Now comes the tricky part. You, and Eloise especially, have argued that there is "no way in hell" a white teen mugshot would be on the DPB. Unfortunately, there is no way to quantitatively prove that. Therefore the argument is moot.
How nice of you to tell people who have face racism all their lives what should or shouldn't be considered to be racist. You come across as an arrogant, ignorant fool. I as a man would never tell a woman when she should or shouldn't feel something is sexist. I have to say that I've been pretty open minded about the Ditmas park blog, but the paternalism and sheer ignorance of dpb has made me noxious. There are evidence that the Ditmas park blog would not have posted that picture if the suspect was white. The evidence is that THEY HAVE NEVER POSTED A MUGSHOT of any white person on their blog. Their are plenty of whites to choose from. As you said the NYPD gave them the information. Have you ever look at the sex offenders list for ditmas park. It is majority middle aged white men who look like ben smith. Do you think ben smith would ever post a picture of white sex offenders even though ditmas park is full of them? As far as the mugshot it's not just the mugshot, but there have been a culmination effect to try to show the black community in the worst possible way while giving cover to white criminals and white misbehavior, as well as giving cover to the NYPD. The Ditmas Park blog has been posting everything and anything about the 70th precinct and yet they never mentioned the police brutality case that happen in prospect park because it was outside ditmas park. Yet they have no problem posting lynch mob type of stories about the black community that lives outside of ditmas park. That racist post about the shooting on flatbush and cortelyou is outside of ditmas park the same way that the prospect park police brutality case and yet they did not miss a beat to pick up that story while ignoring and giving cover to racist practices of the nypd. So yes there are plenty of quantitatively prove that there is NO WAY IN HELL the ditmas park blog would have posted that mugshot had the suspect been white.
ReplyDeleteThanks for responding.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, you are right that it was insensitive of me to label something as not being racist, when clearly you feel very passionate about it. You have every right to interpret and be insulted by whatever you feel does so. For sure, your interpretations and understandings of recent events has lead you to your conclusion and I respect that. So for that, I apologize and rescind my statement.
However, as per the rest of our post.
Are you suggesting that the 70th precinct has sent the DPB various white criminal mugshots of wanted and alleged criminals that they were actively seeking but that the DPB has refused to post these alerts because the perpetrators are white?
Are you suggesting that the DPB posted this mugshot because he is black and not because the police enlisted their help in catching him? And that in doing so, they are consciously portraying the black community in the worst possible way?
Your analogy to the sex offender does not work. The difference is that while both the sex offender and the murder suspect are criminals, the police are only actively seeking the murder suspect. As you have discovered, sex offender information is public and can be accessed by anyone in our or any community at any time for whatever reason. Here however, the murder suspect is on the run for having committed a crime he has yet to pay for. The police are doing whatever they can to catch him. In this case, alerting community blogs. The sex offender has done his time, and the personal information is available freely. Whereas the murder suspect's whereabouts are unknown and has yet to face justice.
It troubles me that you and Eloise are more concerned with the manner that information is delivered rather than the content itself. I remind me, this is an alleged murderer with past dangerous history whose last known address was nearby. Why you wouldn't want people to be on the look out baffles me.
Lastly, regarding your accusations about DPB's reluctance to discuss the 70th precinct brutality claim, I honestly don't know enough about it to comment. Although I do know that Flatbush and Cortelyou is a lot closer to Ditmas Park than the Prospect Park subway stop.
first Flatbush and cortelyou is not in ditmas park, second the ditmas park blog has covered stories as far back as Kensington and they have covered stories in prospect park before. They covered an alleged shooting at the parade ground which is only a block from the police sodomy case. A seatle news director has just resign for seating on a news story about a police brutality case. This is nothing new. I'm not making this up. The ditmas park blog is a schill for the 70th precinct and they will do anything to cover up any misdeeds done by the nypd. Look at the videos again from the real Flatbush. The facts are blacks are being over-policed and whites are literaly getting away with
ReplyDeletemurder. White people turn a blind eye to white crime and white criminals while at the same time they have a lynch mob mentality towards black crime and black criminals. The ditmas park had illustrated that perfectly with the way they choose to select their stories. What I'm saying is that the police mugshot is misleading. It makes the suspect lokk like a savage murderer on the loose. From the mugshot itself it says that he is wanted for felony murder, a technical legal term that not too many peole are familiar with. Felony murder is define as in a commision of a felony someone dies. It could be that a witness died of a heart attack while he was assaulting someone else. But it makes it seems like there's a cold blooded murderer on the loose. I don't think you or anyone at the ditmas parkkk blog should lecture the black community about cooperating with the police, from the looks of the video at the real Flatbush, white people will go at great lenths to protect their criminals. On top of that blacks are 11 times more likely to get 911 called on them then whites. So if you have a problem with car break-ins maybe you should look at your white neighbors teenage son and his heroin habit.
And if you do find anything I'm sure it will not be reported to the police and the ditmas parkkk blog will not be doing any stories on it. As far as the lynch mob mentality is concern, how dare you tell me how I should or shouldn't feel about something that has happen to family. My family is from the south my nana still has photo albums of her family that was lynched. This is not an academic excersise for me. It's real life. My family had gone through it. I see the same cavalier attidude in the ditmas parkkk blog towards blacks that was prevalent throughout Jim crow. If they want to treat me like a second class citizen then bring it on. We are tired of this bullshit hypocritical double standard "news" reporting that is just a front for racism. You're right lynching are no longer acceptable, instead they've empower the police to shoot unarmed black men, herass, brutalized, cover up and at the same time have the ditmas parkkk blog say that they are the good guys. How is that any different from any other dictatorship?
ReplyDeleteUmm sorry to inform you, but the police are always on the look out for sex offenders, that's why they have to register. Given the fact that there are at least 3 elementary schools and a junior h.s in ditmas park, I'm very perplexed as to why there haven't been as much attention being paid to the number of middle aged white male sex offenders in our neighborhood.
ReplyDeleteSam,
ReplyDeleteI understand that the police are always on the look out for sex offenders. And that the must register and be their information must be made public. This cataloguing of offenders however is the police's method for locating them. If an offender is missing or unaccounted for, and the police contacted the DPB I would assume they would relay the information online. Again, I can't gaurantee this as I am not privy to any recent sex offender disappearances.
That being said, the issue remains that while sex offenders are always tracked by the nypd, this suspect's whereabouts are unknown.
What type of attention would you like being paid to the sex offenders nearby? Their information is public and ca nbe accessed by anyone with a curiosity.
anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI agree with most of what you said concerning police bias towards minorities. It is undoubtedly terrible and must be amended asap.
Again, I did not mean to insinuate that you should or should not be offended. As I recall, I apologized in my last thread and did not mention it further.
If you believe the mugshot is misleading, then your issue is with the East Hartford Police, not the DPB.
We are not privy to what information the DPB chooses to submit. As I mentioned in another thread, a friend of mine (a white, jewish girl) has a blog and asked the DPB to add a link on their site. They declined for whatever reason. We do not know what else they have declined and therefore can not come to any significant conclusions.
Lastly, what are your thoughts concerning this particle blog's standpoint vs. Jews? If you want to label the DPB as a modernistic version of Jim Crowe, than shouldn't this blog be just as accountable for Eloise and Tina's consistent negative portrayel of Jews?
What negative portrayal of Jews are you referring to? I state the facts.
ReplyDelete"One of Ben Smith's people gets SC court nod
ReplyDeleteWhat a waste. Don't we already have enough Ginsburgs, Steins, Cohens, in positions of power? It's not as if they use their power to help us minority folks out." - Eloise, 5/10/2010 on saveditmaspark.blogspot.com
"And since when did being a Jew constitute a minority? What institutional racism where you subjected to that still has a lingering affect on your people presently?" - Tina 4/1/2010 on saveditmaspark.blogspot.com
As an aside, notice how when offering a quote I supply both the speaker and the date. This is how one conveys information correctly.
Josh,
ReplyDeleteThose were facts. Just because you don't like them does not mean they are any less true.
I'm pretty sure you don't understand the term fact then. Considering that neither of you nor Tina said anything concrete in either of those two quotes.
ReplyDeletea) "one of ben smith's people gets SC court nod. What a waste. Don't we already have enough Ginsburgs, Steins, Cohens, in positions of power? - Are you claiming it's a fact that it's a waste to hire a Jew? (or are you just prejudiced against three specific last names?)
b) "it's not as if they use their power to help us minority folks out." - considering there are only roughly 13 million Jews worldwide, I'm pretty sure you need to reconsider what it means to be a minority.
Although I must say you and Tina do an excellent job of not saying anything but instead asking incredibly slanted questions so that you can't be held responsible for your ignorance and prejudices. well done indeed.
Eloise - the fact is there is a man who happens to be black wanted for murder whose last known residence was this neighborhood. The police contacted the DPB who relayed the information. This the fact, if you don't like it doesn't make it any less true.
The truth about murder in NY City is this: in 2010 almost every killer and almost every victim has been hispanic or black. That was the story in 2009 too.
ReplyDeleteThe last white thug to commit murder in the Ditmas Park neighborhood was John Guica, the punk who shot Mark Fisher on Stratford Road in 2004.
Guica was arrested, tried, convicted and is now serving a long sentence. Despite knowing her son is as guilty as OJ, Guica's mother is still trying to get his conviction reversed. Fortunately, she will have no success.
If the reference to the police brutality case is aimed at the Michael Mineo case, then there's nothing more to discuss.
ReplyDeleteThe cops were acquitted. Case closed.
Moreover, in court testimony Mineo proved he was a determined liar. He obviously injured himself at the Jiggamon Tattoo Parlor, where he was working at the time the sharp instrument penetrated the skin near his anus.
At least I have to say Tina and Eloise alow dissent on their blog. I tried and a couple of my friends have also try to point out how racist and anti-black Ben and liens are. We all got our messages deleted right away. Elouise is brave enough to take criticism, not only are the ditmas park racist, they are also cowards and they are continuing posting pictures they got from a right wing Jewish hate group. That's a fact. Check out the southern poverty law center. The adl is a hate group. Also check out the kkk website and other hate group blogs and see if they don't share a common thread with the ditmas park blog.
ReplyDeleteAs far as asking incredible slanted questions so they can't be held responsible for their bias. That has been the tactic of the ditmas park blog from day 1. If you can't see that that might be because you share those same slanted views. This has been the tactic of not only the ditmas park blog, but every hate blog in the world. Now ask yourself this. Why is the ditmas park blog giving exposure to a right wing extremist Jewish hate news site like the jeshiva world news, if they did not share the same hateful ideals?
ReplyDeleteYou ask:
ReplyDelete"Why is the ditmas park blog giving exposure to a right win extremist Jewish hate news site like the jeshiva world news, if they did not share the same hateful ideals?"
Simple answer:
Because they had the only crime scene photo available, and it's journalistic practice to credit the photographer.
I wish people here would use names other than 'anonymous'. It's tough to respond to preceeding posts.
ReplyDeleteTo the most recent anonymous; I agree completely. I don't understand how others fail to grasp these simple journalistic responsibilities.
I'm sorry but that's bullshit. The yeshiva world news is a site dedicated to phish negative stories about Gentiles. They hate anyone that is not Jewish. One of their columist believes that it's ok for a Jew to kill any Muslim children because they might have the potential to be terrorist. This has been documented. They've also been criticized for slanted news stories. The been called out on their refusal to show any Jews in a negative light, while at the same time go out of their way to show non Jews in a negative light. It seems thar they have the black community in Flatbush in their crosshairs, I don't know why but that's how they've always operated. They phish for negative stories of non Jews and index it to make things look worst then they are. The fact that the ditmas park blog is promoting this is stunning. I really don't know what to say. I supported the ditmas park blog against Elouise, but this is just stunning. This shooting is not even in ditmas park, but greater Flatbush Wich has for the most part been ignored by the dpb. It seems like they are unfairly attacking the black community here. This is very shameful.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to agree with Kevin here. The ditmas parkkk blog has been giving cover to Jews, white criminals, racist real estate agents and at the same time they have a hard on for any negative story about minorities. As far as journalistic integrety is concern, how about checking out your source.
ReplyDeleteJust a quick question:
ReplyDeleteHow would those who oppose the way the "Triple Shooting Last Night" post have presented instead? What information should have been detailed and where should that information have come from? Please provide the links or photos to the crime scene from your preferred source.
The point is that the was no need for that post because it did not happen in ditmas park and the blog is called the ditmas park blog. To most readers of the ditmas park blog anything east of ocean avenue is not worth mentioning. Look at the dilevery practices of the new joints on cortelyou. They will not deliver anywhere east of ocean avenue. The ditmas park blog already made it clear that they will only promote businesses west of ocean avenue. Anything beyond that is "a tad bit outside of the small area they cover" that is an exact quote from Ben smith. Now if anything east of ocean avenue is outside the small little area they cover. (that was their excuse for not covering the nypd brutality case) why do they have such a hard on for crime on east 21st street. A place that they and most of their readers have never been to and have no intensions of ever going to? And why are they following and giving light to a hate group?
ReplyDeleteI can answer that one. Because they are racist hypocrites!
ReplyDeleteKevin,
ReplyDeleteI will concede that based on the DPB's predetermined areas of concern and that if they were true to these circumstances they would not have posted the event. And that your gripe is that the DPB chose to post this information regardless of its whereabouts. Am I wrong in that ascertion? Was there anything specific about the posting other than the location that bothered you? Why did the post about "New Community Garden" located on the corner of Flatbush and Cortelyou not bother you? As that too is out of Ditmas Park.
That being said, and in response to the original Eloise post, how would you have prefered the alleged murderer's information being presented?
Again the person is said to have lived on east of ocean avenue, not on ditmas park. It is highly unlikely that anyone reading thar dpb would venture anyway east of ocean ave or know anyone who's last address was east of ocean avenue. That post had alterior motives. Mainly to antagonized and create more racism. I just don't see how this is helpful. As far as the man being an alledged murderer, that is very misleading. He is wanted for felony murder, I think someone else pointed out that it's a technical term and he is not a savage cold blooded murderer running on the loose. Case in point, the executives at bp could be charged with felony murder. It's very irresponsible for the dpb to have a post like that and not explain the nuances of the situations. Seems like they were going for sensationalism ad apposed to giving out or keeping the community informed.
ReplyDeleteYes I had to look back at that mugshot also and even I was taken by this deception. It says in small print that he is wanted in connection with a home invasion and felony murder. That's a whole different story. If he actualy murdered someone cold blooded he would have been charged with just plain old murder. The circumstances are not clear as to what his involvement was. Some people have been charged with felony murder simply for driving unknowingly a bank robber or a burglarer. It's up to the ditmas park blog to dig deeper into the story if they want to post it. It's the same people that had a problem with the ny times for simply reporting that a 97 year old real estate agent was accused of bias. Yet they blindly post any negative stories about minorities at their leasure. The racism and hypocracy is truly appauling. Ad far as the guy is concern, if I ever see him. I will treat him the same way that the white people on the real Flatbush blog treated those white teens trashing a car.
ReplyDeleteNeil,
ReplyDeleteI find it ironic that you post on this clearly biased and ill-informed blog that "It's up to the ditmas park blog to dig deeper into the story if they want to post it." when just today Eloise posts in typical non-conclusive format "Breaking: Ben and Liena are being sued in California
"Slander and defamation of character which resulted in a loss of a law school scholarship."
This is in Oakland, California. For those that don't have access to Wikipedia, Oakland is a majority black city. What are the chances that they are being sued by an African-American? I would say very high."
Not to mention "if I ever see him. I will treat him the same way that the white people on the real Flatbush blog treated those white teens trashing a car." is a not exactly a healthy attitude towards community.
Kevin,
ReplyDeleteAm I right in assuming that your gripe is that DPB fails to retain its boundary of Ditmas Park when posting information? Or is it something else?
Comparing a blogger to am alleged "real journalist" is a bit unfair and intellectually dishonest. Ben Smith is supposed to be a real journalist from a nationally known news outlet. Elouise and Tina are not. Thus your comparison is not valid. I would think we should hold Ben Smith and the ditmas park blog to some kind of journalistic integrity that we would not necessarily hold your average blogger to.
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